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		<title>By: Will Davidian</title>
		<link>http://www.blueandorange.net/?p=770&#038;cpage=1#comment-486172</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Davidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astromets,

Why would teams &quot;pitch around&quot; Molina? There&#039;s never anyone on base for the Giants. They&#039;re always trailing in on-base percentage. 

Whether protection exists is a different debate entirely, but let&#039;s say it does -- why does it excuse Bengie for &quot;expanding the strike zone&quot; every single plate appearance. He walked ~3% of his PA&#039;s over the last three seasons; that&#039;s over 1500 times at-bat!  That&#039;s awful and enough of a sampling to indicate what kind of hitter he is. He&#039;s just not good. I&#039;d rather start Thole.  Spend those millions on someone who&#039;ll actually make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astromets,</p>
<p>Why would teams &#8220;pitch around&#8221; Molina? There&#8217;s never anyone on base for the Giants. They&#8217;re always trailing in on-base percentage. </p>
<p>Whether protection exists is a different debate entirely, but let&#8217;s say it does &#8212; why does it excuse Bengie for &#8220;expanding the strike zone&#8221; every single plate appearance. He walked ~3% of his PA&#8217;s over the last three seasons; that&#8217;s over 1500 times at-bat!  That&#8217;s awful and enough of a sampling to indicate what kind of hitter he is. He&#8217;s just not good. I&#8217;d rather start Thole.  Spend those millions on someone who&#8217;ll actually make a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://www.blueandorange.net/?p=770&#038;cpage=1#comment-486169</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better catchers than Molina:  Gregg Zaun (who you also recommended pursing as a free agent) and even somebody crappy like Miguel Olivo, whom I wouldn&#039;t recommend going after, but that&#039;s the level of catcher Molina is.

Just because this is a bad catcher&#039;s market doesn&#039;t mean that the Mets should overpay for a particularly bad one.  Because Molina comes with the tag of &quot;best catcher available,&quot; he&#039;s going to get the best contract of what&#039;s out there.  He just isn&#039;t going be worth whatever dollar figure he winds up signing.  The Mets have their catcher of the future waiting in AAA this year.  It would be a mistake to commit dollars and years to a below average catcher.  

Don&#039;t underestimate the poor on-base percentage, either.  Think of it as the rate at which baseball players make outs.  Bengie Molina made outs in 71.5% of his plate appearances last year.  For his career, he has made outs in 69.2% of his plate appearances.  His best season was five years ago, and he&#039;s done nothing but get fatter since.  He&#039;s going to be 36 years old next year.  He doesn&#039;t run the bases well, and there&#039;s no evidence that he&#039;s good defensively.  Literally the only reason anybody is even thinking about him as their catcher next year is the 20 home runs (by the way, a career high).  This team can find better options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better catchers than Molina:  Gregg Zaun (who you also recommended pursing as a free agent) and even somebody crappy like Miguel Olivo, whom I wouldn&#8217;t recommend going after, but that&#8217;s the level of catcher Molina is.</p>
<p>Just because this is a bad catcher&#8217;s market doesn&#8217;t mean that the Mets should overpay for a particularly bad one.  Because Molina comes with the tag of &#8220;best catcher available,&#8221; he&#8217;s going to get the best contract of what&#8217;s out there.  He just isn&#8217;t going be worth whatever dollar figure he winds up signing.  The Mets have their catcher of the future waiting in AAA this year.  It would be a mistake to commit dollars and years to a below average catcher.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t underestimate the poor on-base percentage, either.  Think of it as the rate at which baseball players make outs.  Bengie Molina made outs in 71.5% of his plate appearances last year.  For his career, he has made outs in 69.2% of his plate appearances.  His best season was five years ago, and he&#8217;s done nothing but get fatter since.  He&#8217;s going to be 36 years old next year.  He doesn&#8217;t run the bases well, and there&#8217;s no evidence that he&#8217;s good defensively.  Literally the only reason anybody is even thinking about him as their catcher next year is the 20 home runs (by the way, a career high).  This team can find better options.</p>
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		<title>By: tjv101</title>
		<link>http://www.blueandorange.net/?p=770&#038;cpage=1#comment-486168</link>
		<dc:creator>tjv101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to have someone agree with me since Cox never ever does. Thank you AstroMets. I have to again re-iterate what better catcher is out there and available? Answer...there&#039;s not! You make great points Will and Cox. Certainly, it scares me that Molina&#039;s OBP is .285 and walks as little as Haley&#039;s Comet comes. I have to imagine that it would improve especially if the guy was playing hurt last year and he is probably aware he was very impatient at the plate. He will have protection in that batting order and plain and simple, the Mets need an offensive improvement at catcher. Who else would you rather put out there to give u 20 HR&#039;s and 80 RBI&#039;s and hit .275? This team&#039;s offense was terrible last year and clearly besides their odd statistic that they had the highest batting avg. in the NL, the team didn&#039;t score runs (injury ridden or not). If the Mets do sign Molina, I would hope that it wouldn&#039;t be more than a guaranteed 2 year $10-12 million dollar deal. Anything more I will be writing a supplementary column on &quot;Bengie No-lina&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to have someone agree with me since Cox never ever does. Thank you AstroMets. I have to again re-iterate what better catcher is out there and available? Answer&#8230;there&#8217;s not! You make great points Will and Cox. Certainly, it scares me that Molina&#8217;s OBP is .285 and walks as little as Haley&#8217;s Comet comes. I have to imagine that it would improve especially if the guy was playing hurt last year and he is probably aware he was very impatient at the plate. He will have protection in that batting order and plain and simple, the Mets need an offensive improvement at catcher. Who else would you rather put out there to give u 20 HR&#8217;s and 80 RBI&#8217;s and hit .275? This team&#8217;s offense was terrible last year and clearly besides their odd statistic that they had the highest batting avg. in the NL, the team didn&#8217;t score runs (injury ridden or not). If the Mets do sign Molina, I would hope that it wouldn&#8217;t be more than a guaranteed 2 year $10-12 million dollar deal. Anything more I will be writing a supplementary column on &#8220;Bengie No-lina&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: astromets</title>
		<link>http://www.blueandorange.net/?p=770&#038;cpage=1#comment-486167</link>
		<dc:creator>astromets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Molina joins the Giants, is put at clean-up and has no protection and you are surprised he is expanding the strike zone a little? I am surprised he still managed to be as successful as he was. We hear about it all the time though, players who are asked to do more than they should will try to do that by trying to force the issue, or swing at bad pitches. I am not saying that is the only reason, but I feel he would have a different mindset batting eighth because everyone will be telling him to be patient and he won&#039;t hit until he is. I am not saying he would become a walk machine, but in the eighth hole his walk rate should improve. He would also probably get intentionally walked a lot in big spots.

Look, I know Molina has his shortcomings - no speed and no walks and aging, but what catcher available doesn&#039;t fall into two of those three categories? Who are we going to get who could give us some extra offense and not embarrass us in defense? I don&#039;t want an almost 40, career major league backup. What we are going to spend a lot of money making a Mets team ready to compete in 2010 and then not give us a decent catcher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Molina joins the Giants, is put at clean-up and has no protection and you are surprised he is expanding the strike zone a little? I am surprised he still managed to be as successful as he was. We hear about it all the time though, players who are asked to do more than they should will try to do that by trying to force the issue, or swing at bad pitches. I am not saying that is the only reason, but I feel he would have a different mindset batting eighth because everyone will be telling him to be patient and he won&#8217;t hit until he is. I am not saying he would become a walk machine, but in the eighth hole his walk rate should improve. He would also probably get intentionally walked a lot in big spots.</p>
<p>Look, I know Molina has his shortcomings &#8211; no speed and no walks and aging, but what catcher available doesn&#8217;t fall into two of those three categories? Who are we going to get who could give us some extra offense and not embarrass us in defense? I don&#8217;t want an almost 40, career major league backup. What we are going to spend a lot of money making a Mets team ready to compete in 2010 and then not give us a decent catcher?</p>
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		<title>By: Will Davidian</title>
		<link>http://www.blueandorange.net/?p=770&#038;cpage=1#comment-486165</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Davidian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJV, when you&#039;re getting on base at a .285 clip, you&#039;re making an out over 71% of the time. I don&#039;t care if he hits 30 home runs; that&#039;s not a productive hitter. 

Also, don&#039;t ignore the plate discipline profile. He&#039;s making less contact across the board, so bad balls he&#039;s put in play for hits in the past are going to be a less frequent occurrence. There&#039;s really no incentive to throw Molina a strike since he&#039;ll happily swing at whatever slop you throw his way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJV, when you&#8217;re getting on base at a .285 clip, you&#8217;re making an out over 71% of the time. I don&#8217;t care if he hits 30 home runs; that&#8217;s not a productive hitter. </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t ignore the plate discipline profile. He&#8217;s making less contact across the board, so bad balls he&#8217;s put in play for hits in the past are going to be a less frequent occurrence. There&#8217;s really no incentive to throw Molina a strike since he&#8217;ll happily swing at whatever slop you throw his way.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://www.blueandorange.net/?p=770&#038;cpage=1#comment-486164</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you can overlook the lack of walks.  When you&#039;re a man of Molina&#039;s girth, you aren&#039;t going to beat out many infield hits.  Meaning, when he doesn&#039;t walk (and Molina doesn&#039;t walk AT ALL), he can only help the team when he hits the ball hard.  Whatever power he does have is negated by some piss-awful baserunning and patience.  

A starting lineup that featured both Francoeur and Molina would be one that is taking next to no pitches lower in the lineup, which makes it harder to run a starting pitcher&#039;s pitch count up and more likely he stays in the game, and in a division that features Javy Vazquez, Cliff Lee, Josh Johnson, and Cole Hamels in 2010, that&#039;s nothing to overlook.  The Mets can get away with having one hitter in the lineup with a complete and utter lack of plate discipline (although I&#039;d rather that they get rid of Frenchy, to be honest).  Having two players like that would be a huge problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you can overlook the lack of walks.  When you&#8217;re a man of Molina&#8217;s girth, you aren&#8217;t going to beat out many infield hits.  Meaning, when he doesn&#8217;t walk (and Molina doesn&#8217;t walk AT ALL), he can only help the team when he hits the ball hard.  Whatever power he does have is negated by some piss-awful baserunning and patience.  </p>
<p>A starting lineup that featured both Francoeur and Molina would be one that is taking next to no pitches lower in the lineup, which makes it harder to run a starting pitcher&#8217;s pitch count up and more likely he stays in the game, and in a division that features Javy Vazquez, Cliff Lee, Josh Johnson, and Cole Hamels in 2010, that&#8217;s nothing to overlook.  The Mets can get away with having one hitter in the lineup with a complete and utter lack of plate discipline (although I&#8217;d rather that they get rid of Frenchy, to be honest).  Having two players like that would be a huge problem.</p>
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		<title>By: tjv101</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you&#039;ve never played &quot;Guess that Molina&quot; on ESPN huh? We all know he lacks the arm of his brother Yadier or the youth of Jose but he still has a good amount of power. 20 HR&#039;s and 80 RBI&#039;s is nothing to sneeze about even at 35 yrs old as catcher playing in 130 games. It&#039;s ok, interesting read about Bengie though. I think you delve too deep into his lack of walks though. I must remind you that the Giants didn&#039;t necessarily have much offense aside from Molina which means the bulk of the offense had to come from him or Kung-fu panda. On a Mets lineup with Beltran, Wright, Reyes, Francoeur, power-hitting unknown left fielder no name, and probably Delgado again...should ease Molina and give him better pitches and hopefully make him more patient at the plate. Let&#039;s also be clear the Mets need a catcher. The days of Brian Schneider and Omir Santos platooning at catcher aren&#039;t gonna cut it in NY. This team needs to score runs and get a 70 win last season monkey off their back. Brian McCann, Joe Mauer, and Victor Martinez aren&#039;t available so you have to take what you can get this offseason. Either way he&#039;s a big upgrade offensively and more than anything thats what this team needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you&#8217;ve never played &#8220;Guess that Molina&#8221; on ESPN huh? We all know he lacks the arm of his brother Yadier or the youth of Jose but he still has a good amount of power. 20 HR&#8217;s and 80 RBI&#8217;s is nothing to sneeze about even at 35 yrs old as catcher playing in 130 games. It&#8217;s ok, interesting read about Bengie though. I think you delve too deep into his lack of walks though. I must remind you that the Giants didn&#8217;t necessarily have much offense aside from Molina which means the bulk of the offense had to come from him or Kung-fu panda. On a Mets lineup with Beltran, Wright, Reyes, Francoeur, power-hitting unknown left fielder no name, and probably Delgado again&#8230;should ease Molina and give him better pitches and hopefully make him more patient at the plate. Let&#8217;s also be clear the Mets need a catcher. The days of Brian Schneider and Omir Santos platooning at catcher aren&#8217;t gonna cut it in NY. This team needs to score runs and get a 70 win last season monkey off their back. Brian McCann, Joe Mauer, and Victor Martinez aren&#8217;t available so you have to take what you can get this offseason. Either way he&#8217;s a big upgrade offensively and more than anything thats what this team needs.</p>
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