Overhaul Time

My Wish List for the 2009 Mets:

-David Wright
-Ryan Church
-Mike Pelfrey
-Damion Easley
-John Maine
-Billy Wagner
-Scott Schoenweis
-Brian Schneider
-Ramon Castro

Anyone else currently on the roster should be traded for players who are 1) average-above average at their positions, and 2) gritty/tough players

I know this is all pure nonsense and that it’ll never happen, but right now, the above players seem to be the ones who have that extra something special that is reminiscent of the early 90’s Braves and late 90’s Yankees.

Yes, I realize that this means getting rid of Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, and Johan Santana. I’m okay with all of that. Really, I am. All three are great players who could fetch some real talent in return, guys who have maybe a little less talent but a lot more grit.

I’m all for a complete over-haul of the team and the minor league system. Watching the Rays pound the Red Sox earlier this week, and seeing how fun that team is to watch, I felt very jealous.

Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am.

6 Responses to “Overhaul Time”

  1. chriseff says:

    Do not agree with you on this– I was at CBP the last 2 days–Wagner is NOT a keeper in my book. Plus there is no one who can match what Jose Reyes brings to the table–he is disruptive and you have to give the benefit of the doubt to his being still a pup. You are right about Johan and Beltran–but totally unrealistic–they both have contracts that NOBODY would take on. This Team does need an overhaul–it will start with saying goodbye to Pedro and Delgado. We need some prospects, so I would be willing to sacrifice a number of players to get that–My untouchables would be Reyes, Wright, Pelfrey, Maine, Beltran, Johan, maybe Joe Smith and Ryan Church–everyone else can go.

  2. Chris Wilcox says:

    You are wrong.

    You are completely and utterly wrong.

    You are blaming Reyes, Beltran, and Santana for what’s gone wrong this year? Those are only three of the best players on this year’s Mets team! Beltran remains one of the top five all around outfielders in the game, Johan Santana is in the top ten in six of the top pitching categories in the National League and was a flagrant All Star snub. Jose Reyes has turned his career around in the last two months and has become one of the best shortstops in the major leagues.

    Plus, think of it this way; what are the Mets really going to get for Santana or Beltran? Both are signed to expensive contracts that only the upper payroll teams could really afford to take on. The Yankees’ prospects aren’t that great, and could not fetch equal value for either. Boston doesn’t need a center fielder, and had their chance to get Johan last year, but didn’t pull the trigger; why would they change their mind now?

    Reyes is another matter; his contract would be enticing for any team. But that’s just it; his contract is enticing because he’s a really good player making not a lot of money. Those are the guys you hold onto and build around. You don’t trade Jose Reyes unless you absolutely have to, and the Mets don’t have to. At best, all they’d be able to get for him is either a similarly talented major league ready player (one who probably doesn’t play shortstop, a pretty important position to fill where the Mets have no immediate solutions if they were to trade Reyes) or minor leaguers who may or may not ever pan out. I think your dislike of him is misplaced.

    Then there are some of the more puzzling choices you are choosing to build around. Damion Easley is 38 years old. Scott Schoeneweis has been pretty lucky this year and has benefitted from better defense than he had a year ago. Brian Schneider is a backup catcher, and has been for at least 2-3 years, only the Mets haven’t realized this yet.

    As for the Rays…you know how the Rays got so good? By being bad for a long, long time. Are you really ready to suffer through a long drought of not winning? Especially when the pieces for a winning ballclub are here, save for a few questionable choices here and there (coughcough Luis Castillo). I realize you wrote this before the 10 game winning streak and all, but I can’t even fathom how trading Carlos Beltran and Johan Santana would fix what ails this team. They aren’t part of the problem, but they will be part of the solution.

  3. Joeadig says:

    calling Johan Santana a “flagrant All Star snub” is just irresponsible. If you don’t take it back, I will seriously question all that you have ever said about the game of baseball. Look at his numbers and look at EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE about the all-star game, and in every single article that lists those players who deserved to be there but aren’t, Santana isn’t there. So what, exactly, do you, Chris Wilcox, seeing that is more accurate than EVERY BASEBALL WRITER IN AMERICA is missing???


  4. Chris Wilcox says:

    My rationale for Johan being in the All Star Game: At the All Star Break, Johan was top ten in the NL in innings, strikeouts, strikeouts per nine, ERA, WHIP, and K/BB ratio. Number of other NL starting pitchers in the top ten in these categories: 1 (Lincecum). The one category he wasn’t in the top ten in was wins, and wins is such an utterly dumb category for pitchers in the 21st century for reasons I have gone over a hundred times. This is a guy who has, at worst, pitched like the fifth best starting pitcher in the National League this year (and probably better), and he can’t get on the All Star team?

    Please tell me the justification for Aaron Cook being an All Star over Johan Santana, or Brian Wilson, or Carlos Marmol, or hell Billy Wagner. None of those pitchers have been better than Johan this season. I understand that as the All Star game has evolved, because starters are often unavailable, that relievers are often taken instead, but Brian Wilson hasn’t even had a good year (and wasn’t the token Giant, with Lincecum on the team) Aaron Cook is like the third best Rockies starting pitcher, and Carlos Marmol is the Cubs’ set up man. While many of the baseball writers in this country may not have brought up Santana, that is because baseball writers still pick the MVP based on win totals and saves instead of actually caring about who pitched well, so excuse me if I’m not going to take their word for it on this issue when Santana’s win total has been hurt by his bullpen blowing now SIX games that he left with the lead. If they are going to use an antiquated method of determining the Cy Young Award winner, then I’m not going to put a lot of stock into what most baseball writers have to say.

  5. Joeadig says:

    I hereby will NEVER read your opinions again. You’re too much a homer. You can find numbers to prove anything and you know it- you’ve done it before. If I were smart enough I’m sure I could prove that half a dozen guys on the Mets own staff should have been All Stars.

  6. Chris Wilcox says:

    Man read this site. Please. I’m the one who in 2005 said the Mets should trade Jose Reyes, for crying out loud. I have complained as much as anybody over the things that SHOULD be complained about. The bullpen stinks. The corner outfielders are terrible. Second base has been a disaster. Catcher has been bad the roughly 60-65% of the time Ramon Castro doesn’t start. I simultaneously love and hate this team, but I hate the players that are ruining our chances of seeing a Mets championship, and love the players who are contributing towards one.

    Here are the pitchers for this year’s All Star team. Please let me know which one of these pitchers has definitively pitched better than Johan Santana in 2008 that was not placed on the team as a token player. First we’ll start with Johan’s stats, then I’ll list each player with their 2008 numbers.

    I’m not using any wild and crazy numbers and I’m not going to “manipulate” anything – these are pretty standard: innings pitched, strikeouts, ERA, WHIP, K/9, K/BB. These are numbers we use in our own fantasy baseball league every year, with the exception of wins. I am not using wins, because wins are a silly stat in the year 2008. It made more sense to use wins as a stat in the 1930s, when pitchers threw complete games a lot more regularly, although even then, I don’t believe it was ever meant to be a be-all and end-all number (it is too reliant on if the team actually scores runs on your behalf). It makes no sense to use them in the year 2008, when bullpens can turn a win into a loss in the blink of an eye.

    Johan Santana: 161 IP, 2.85 ERA, 135 K, 44 BB, 7.5 K/9, 3.1 K/BB, 1.16 WHIP

    Aaron Cook: 172 IP, 3.87 ERA, 79 K, 36 BB, 4.1 K/9, 2.2 K/BB, 1.30 WHIP – higher ERA and WHIP, lower K/9, K/BB, and total strikeouts – not a token selection – WORSE THAN JOHAN

    Ryan Dempster: 157.3 IP, 2.92 ERA, 139 K, 62 BB, 8 K/9, 2.24 K/BB, 1.16 WHIP – fewer innings, slightly higher ERA (though close enough to where it is probably a virtual tie), higher K/BB, more K, higher K/BB, same WHIP. I wouldn’t say worse than Johan, but definitely not better. EVEN

    Dan Haren: 159 IP, 3.00 ERA, 147 K, 27 BB, 8.3 K/9, 5.4 K/BB, 1.03 WHIP – fewer innings and strikeouts, higher ERA (but again, almost negligible), everything else goes to Haren. BETTER THAN JOHAN

    Tim Lincecum: 157.7 IP, 2.68 ERA, 175 K, 58 BB, 10 K/9, 3.02 K/BB, 1.23 WHIP – fewer innings, more strikeouts, lower ERA, higher K/9, slightly lower K/BB, lower WHIP. BETTER THAN JOHAN (but not THAT much better)

    Ben Sheets: 155.3 IP, 2.95 ERA, 129 K, 35 BB, 7.5 K/9, 3.7 K/BB, 1.15 WHIP – fewer innings, virtual tie ERA, fewer Ks, same K/9, higher K/BB, lower WHIP. Neither higher nor lower (though he started the game, so you’d figure he’d be a lot better). EVEN

    Edinson Volquez: 138 IP, 2.93 ERA, 141 K, 63 BB, 9.2 K/9, 2.2 K/BB, 1.33 WHIP – fewer innings, virtual tie ERA that is slightly lower, fewer Ks, higher K/9, lower K/BB, higher WHIP – he was the story of the first half, but fallen off a little bit. He was a token selection, yet I believe he belonged on his own merits, but I wouldn’t say he was better. WORSE THAN JOHAN (but belonged on the team)

    Brandon Webb: 169 IP, 2.88 ERA, 139 K, 41 BB, 7.4 K/9, 3.4 K/BB, 1.13 WHIP – fewer innings, K’s, slightly lower ERA and K/9, lower WHIP, higher K/BB – again, at worst, I’d say this was EVEN. By the way, this is the guy who is the leading Cy Young contender (mostly because he has 17 wins, which again, are a completely silly statistic in the year 2008).

    Carlos Zambrano: 151 IP, 3.22 ERA, 101 K, 48 BB, 6 K/9, 2.1 K/BB, 1.25 WHP – Johan smokes Zambrano in EVERY category here and there were a billion Cubs on this team, so he wasn’t a token. WORSE THAN JOHAN

    Then there are relievers. It’s hard to compare IP and K numbers, so I’m just going to use rate stats. Of course, that Johan does what he does over more innings on a yearly basis makes him more valuable than these relievers, so I’d argue that he belongs over every one of them, but the All Star set up in the year 2008 favors carrying a lot of relievers, and this is all about who has pitched better anyway.

    Brad Lidge: 2.19 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 11.5 K/9, 2.42 K/BB – better ERA & K/9, worse WHIP and K/BB. EVEN

    Carlos Marmol: 2.92 ERA, 0.98 WHIP, 12.2 K/9, 2.63 K/BB – better WHIP and K/9, worse ERA and K/BB. EVEN

    Billy Wagner: 2.30 ERA, 0.89 WHIP, 10 K/9, 5.2 K/BB – strictly by the numbers, better than Johan, but I’ve felt a whole helluva lot better with Johan on the mound than with Wagner.

    Brian Wilson: 4.08 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 9.5 K/9, 2.2 K/BB – by all objective standards, a complete joke of an All Star selection, especially with Lincecum fulfilling the Giants quota. WORSE THAN JOHAN

    Kerry Wood: 2.89 ERA, 0.99 WHIP, 10.6 K/9, 4.2 K/BB – better rate stats than Johan.

    Look at the list now. Four players who are beyond a shadow of a doubt worse than Johan. Five who are, at best, even with Johan (including three starters, one of whom is the leading candidate for the NL Cy Young). Four pitchers who are better, only two of whom are starters. At worst, Johan has been the fifth best starter in the National League this year, and guys like Zambrano, Volquez, and particularly Cook have not been anywhere near as good as him. Other than a low win total (which would look a lot better if the bullpen had held even 3 of the 6 games they’ve blown for him this year, or if the team had scored more than 2 runs in six of his losses) what exactly held Johan off of this team? He’s pitched superbly this season.

    Joe, maybe I’m a homer. Who knows. I like to think I look at things objectively (by the way, Jake Peavy was probably snubbed this year as well). But you sir, you are a self-loathing Mets fan. Myself, I’m alarmed that this team is wasting one of Johan Santana’s finest seasons with poor bullpen and poor run support. If you choose to believe sports writers (who, by the way, are much better at manipulating than the objective truth of numbers) over stats, that’s fine. But to me, the stats pretty clearly state that Johan Santana belonged on this All Star team. If following objective truth makes me a homer, so be it.

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